As the summer comes to an end, we’re thinking about what unplugging—the ultimate luxury—looks like in 2025. With a growing slate of apps aiming to reduce our screen time and some tech leaders trying to reinvent the internet as it was, where are we heading? WIRED’s features editor Jason Kehe joins us to discuss how as users we are now best positioned to take the power back.

Mentioned in this episode:

Going Dumb: My Year With a Flip Phone by Jason Kehe

Bluesky Is Plotting a Total Takeover of the Social Internet by Kate Knibbs

Alexis Ohanian’s Next Social Platform Has One Rule: Don’t Act Like an Asshole by Katie Drummond

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