The greatest debate in sports often centers on one question: who is the best player of all time? Rarely does the public agree on a single name, and the NBA is no exception. Adding his voice to the conversation, a four-time NBA champion revealed his pick for the GOAT—and it wasn’t LeBron James.

Four-time champion Horace Grant appeared on Stacey King’s Gimme the Hot Sauce podcast, where he was asked to weigh in on the GOAT debate between Michael Jordan and LeBron James. Instead of rushing to answer, Grant first posed a question of his own.

“What’s the ingredient of the GOAT?” Grant asked. “Is it rings? Is it being the best rebounder? Is it being the best at assists or block shots? What is the GOAT? Never losing in a Final? MVPs? I want to know what the ingredients are, because if it’s ring

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