Pakistan's Defence Minister Khwaja Asif attempted to defend the ‘hybrid model’ of governance that his country follows, where unlike any other country the civilian government and Army stand together to run the State.

Asif's defence comes despite Pakistan continues to be one of the world's worst performers when it comes to democracy, and holding up a failing record of human rights violations.

During the interview, Hasan asked how the hybrid model in Pakistan works, and if Asim Munir is a more powerful person than him.

“It's a strange system you have in Pakistan. I think you've called it a hybrid model- where the military and civilian leaders effectively share power. But the military leaders are really the ones in charge, are they not? In most countries, the head of the army answers to t

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