The Simpsons creator Matt Groening explained why he saw Donald Trump’s rise coming from a mile away.

Groening appeared on Marc Maron’s WTF podcast Monday, where he likened the president to the “television evangelists” that marked his childhood. “One way in which I’m not surprised by Trump is that growing up, watching television evangelists blatantly being crooks and con artists,” Groening said, as he and Maron discussed Fox News’ hold on older audiences. One key issue Groening feels is part of Trump’s “con” is his characterization of the nation’s immigrants.

“Everything that’s true is so narrow and everything is replaced by the next thing, the next thing, the next thing,” Groening explained, indicating the Trump-heavy news cycle. “I think it would change people’s minds who have no empat

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