“It’s all hands on deck and we have to fight. This is the only way,” says Leanne Betasamosake Simpson. In this episode of Movement Memos, Simpson and host Kelly Hayes discuss lessons from Simpson’s book Theory of Water: Nishnaabe Maps to the Times Ahead and the ongoing struggle against ICE in Chicago, where Hayes is involved in rapid response efforts.

Music: Son Monarcas and Leanne Betasamosake Simpson

TRANSCRIPT

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Kelly Hayes: Welcome to “Movement Memos,” a Truthout podcast about organizing, solidarity, and the work of making change. I’m your host, writer and organizer Kelly Hayes. Today we’re talking about what it takes to stay human and protect each other in fascistic times —

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