Joe Rogan sees the country sliding toward a “bona fide civil war.”

“Where are we right now on the scale of one to civil war? Where are we?” Rogan asked as he discussed the U.S.’ deepening partisan split on the latest episode of his podcast.

The 58-year-old podcaster argued that swings to extremes are “usually” met with overcorrection, fueling a cycle of escalating tensions.

“It gets scary when there’s like hardcore ideological conflict, because people push back,” he said, before acting out a mock confrontation. “‘You’re gonna call me a b---h? Okay motherf---er, it’s on!’—that’s what people are doing on the left and the right.”

“The ultimate expression of that,” Rogan told his guest Brian Redban, a comedian and former producer for The Joe Rogan Experience, “is obviously Charlie Kirk.”

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