It’s that time of the year: when the holidays seem to take over our lives (and screens). If the annual made-for-TV movies from Hallmark, Lifetime, Netflix, and more are your cup of tea, you have plenty of options from now until the end of the year. And of course, there are those staple holiday classics like Elf and A Christmas Story . But there are also films that start debates at the dinner table every yuletide season over whether or not they’re actually Christmas movies.

For some, simply having a film be set around or on December 25 is enough to make it festive enough that yes, it’s a holiday movie. But what about what actually happens in the film (outside of the time of year)? Should movies have to end on a happy, feel-good note?

Here, we take a look at 10 films that could

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