• Gilen Chan and Gene Preudhomme, both 63, started a podcast interviewing retirees around the world. • The couple didn't know where to retire, so they asked others to share their stories. • Over five years later, their podcast has grown steadily and now features over 200 episodes.

This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Gilen Chan and Gene Preudhomme, both 63 and retired lawyers, who are the creators and hosts of the "Retire There with Gil & Gene" podcast. It has been edited for length and clarity.

It's been over five years since we started our podcast.

In early 2020, we were both thinking about retirement and knew we wanted to leave Brooklyn, where we'd raised our son and lived for many years.

The idea of being surrounded by nature appealed to us, so we began conside

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