Tim Meadows was once the longest-serving cast member on Saturday Night Live. These days, he’s subtly stealing scenes as the third lead on the CBS sitcom, DMV. But despite plenty of ups and downs over the course of his nearly 40-year career, Meadows seems to be at peace with his particular level of fame.

In this episode of The Last Laugh podcast, Meadows traces the arc of his career, from his unusual path to Lorne Michaels’ office to the disastrous attempt to turn his most popular recurring character into a full-length feature film. He reveals why he really didn’t want the actual Monica Lewinsky to make a cameo as herself with The Ladies Man Leon Phelps—and what changed his mind.

Meadows also explains why he ultimately decided to leave SNL after 10 seasons, the late-night TV gig he no

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