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The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie goes deep with the artists, entrepreneurs, and visionaries who are making the world a more libertarian—or at least a more interesting—place.

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Today's guest is the science writer Matt Ridley , author of best-selling books such as The Red Queen , The Rational Optimist , and, with Alina Chan, Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19 . At a live event filmed in New York City, Ridley tells Nick Gillespie that political and cultural elites had already turned science, our best tool for understanding and impro

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