A heated exchange on CNN ended with a public health activist shutting down conservative commentator Ben Ferguson, telling him flatly that he was “loud and wrong.”

Dr. Chris T. Pernell, director of the NAACP’s Center for Health Equity, appeared on NewsNight with Abby Phillip to weigh in on Florida’s decision to end vaccine mandates for young children. Pernell called the move “reckless” and warned it would heighten exposure to illnesses among children in low-income households.

Ferguson, a GOP podcaster and radio host, pushed back. “If you want to blame somebody for this, blame the CDC!” he said, arguing that the agency had lost the trust of Americans and therefore mandates should be scrapped.

“You’re loud and wrong!” Pernell shot back. “Let’s talk about political actors who started to spe

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