There is no need to plan for the possibility the Supreme Court could strike down President Trump's tariffs, because it won't happen and other tariff avenues exist anyway, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick tells Mike Allen in the premiere episode of "The Axios Show."

Why it matters: Lutnick's brash confidence stands in contrast to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent's warning the government could face the "terrible" prospect of issuing tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in refunds. • Bessent has also warned that other tariff laws already on the books aren't as powerful and would give President Trump less flexibility to negotiate.

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