Have you ever gazed upon Dr. Orna’s collection of tasteful Proenza Schouler knits and thought, Hmmm, what would she say to me and my partner ? Well, Michelle Obama now knows the answer to that question. On Wednesday, Orna Guralnik — psychologist and star of the Showtime docuseries Couples Therapy — appeared on Michelle’s podcast, where she doled out some advice on how she and Barack can keep things fresh now that they’re empty-nesters.

On the episode , Michelle shared that she and Barack used to spend a lot of time talking about their kids but have less to discuss now that Sasha and Malia aren’t living at home anymore. “We’ve noticed how much of our time we’ve spent talking about them, right? So now that we’re empty-nesters, it’s like, ‘Well, what are we going to talk about?

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