Michelle and Barack Obama have always appeared to be the perfect couple ; even when weathering divorce rumors earlier in 2025, the pair remained cool, calm and collected, and joked about it on the former First Lady's podcast, IMO with Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson . The mother of two revealed on Wednesday's episode of the show that everything was not always perfect in the world of the Obamas, particularly when it comes to mealtimes together. Michelle welcomed psychoanalyst Dr. Orna Guralnik onto the podcast and began to discuss how her relationship with Barack had changed since their daughters moved out.

"We always have the kids to talk about, but not on a day-to-day basis," she began. "We've noticed how much of our time we've spent talking about them, right? So now that we'r

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