Plain Talk: 'We don't have performance measures'

MINOT — During their regular session earlier this year, North Dakota lawmakers formed their own version of President Donald Trump's Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

It's a task force, as opposed to a department, and state Auditor Josh Gallion, who is participating in the meetings, said they've been calling it TOGE to avoid confusion with the federal efforts. But it's been making good progress, including reviewing a big problem the state has when it comes to implementing policy.

Namely, that nobody bothers to define what the success of that policy might look like. "I think what we learned ... was we don't have performance measures," Gallion said on this episode of Plain Talk.

He pointed out that the state often creates things, like economic development programs aimed at crea