The never-ending NBA debate over who stands as the true GOAT almost always comes down to two names: LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Countless factors feed into the argument, which is why the conversation has lasted for decades. It goes well beyond statistics or accolades, and Miami Heat legend Dwyane Wade understands that nuance better than most.

For years, Dwyane Wade had firmly placed himself on Team Michael Jordan in the GOAT discussion, even while playing alongside—and developing a close friendship with—LeBron James. But Wade’s perspective has shifted slightly, and he opened up about his updated view during an appearance on Time Out with Dwyane Wade.

“Michael Jordan is my basketball GOAT,” Wade said. “My personal. For all the reasons that he should be. But I do have a new answer of

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