President Donald Trump and Steve Bannon are just trolling about a potential third term, according to journalist Jonathan Karl, but he said they're trolling one particular person.

The ABC News correspondent and author of Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America, appeared Thursday on MS NOW's "Morning Joe," where he was asked whether Trump would “voluntarily” leave the White House at the end of his second and final term, reported The Daily Beast.

“I do think that the reason why he keeps bringing up Trump 2028 — he’s got the hats he shows everybody," Karl said. "It is absolutely trolling, and frankly, Steve Bannon, who was the one that really started to get this going, is trolling not just Trump’s critics and Democrats – he’s also trolling JD Vance. Bannon, privately, [is] not a big JD Vance fan at all.”

The 79-year-old Trump is constitutionally prohibited from running for a third term, but he and Bannon have both floated the possibility of him serving well into his 80s, which would prevent Vance or other Republican hopefuls from launching a campaign to become the MAGA heir.

“At what point does he actually make it clear, ‘No, I’m not running, and it’s one of these guys, or it’s that guy,’ and now all the attention shifts?” Karl said. “I covered the Obama White House. You know what it’s like in 2015, 2016, when you’re a lame duck, nobody pays any attention.

“I don’t know how he voluntarily passes the baton,” he added. “I don’t think, right now, he’s serious about staying another term.”