Former Apple designer Jony Ive, known for helping drive the world’s obsession with smartphones and other touch devices, has some thoughts about how to improve our relationship with technology.

The 58-year-old designer was instrumental in creating the iPhone, iPod, and iPad, and is now helping OpenAI create AI-first devices after it acquired his AI hardware startup, io, earlier this year for a cool $6.5 billion . But rather than replicate the work that made him famous, Ive said he wants to create devices that spark more joy and less anxiety, Business Insider reported.

“When I said we have an uncomfortable relationship with our technology, I mean that’s the most obscene understatement,” Ive said while being interviewed by OpenAI CEO Sam Altman this week at OpenAI’s DevDay conference.

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