On this episode of Fortune’s Leadership Next podcast, cohosts Diane Brady, executive editorial director of the Fortune CEO Initiative and Fortune Live Media, and editorial director Kristin Stoller talk with Ryan Gellert, CEO of Patagonia. They discuss President Trump’s description of climate change as a “con job”; whether it’s easier to lead with a social mission as head of a privately held company; and Patagonia’s journey to building a national park in Albania.

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Ryan Gellert: Science is undefeated, and if you step out of a window from the third floor talking about how gravity doesn’t exist, you’re still going to hit the ground. And so, when this era passes, these problems will be with us.

Diane Brady: Hi, everyone. Welcome to Leadership Next . The podcast about the p

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