“We’re not going to be bullied into saying that we can only hire people or promote people based on some criteria that’s been picked up by Steve Miller,” Barack Obama told Marc Maron of how businesses, universities and others should deal with his “successor” and his administration’s heavy booted tactics.

“We all have this capacity, I think, to take a stand,” the former POTUS added on the 1,685 and final episode of the WTF podcast with a swipe at one of Donald Trump ’s most influential White House aides.

Revealed Monday morning as the final guest on the last WTF with Marc Maron , Obama was back chatting with the comedian for the first time since his Deadline revealed famous 2015 visit to Maron’s LA garage. This time, with Obama reflecting on the lack of an official leader of

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